Re: Native Wisdom

[Dice]

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[Spock]

Yes, i am very upset about some masons getting involved in chipping kids under the guise of "charity." i am not sure if these poeple really know what they are getting into...

Masonic lodges have been infiltrated by the illuminati and other evil doers for a long time. And that is why the entire fraternity gets its bad name and reputation.

Was kan ich sagen?

[Guest]

Then why not forget about joining those pompous ass groups..............

Out of all the groups out there, my favorite are the Rainbows. They really are more like a family and you can bet they always will have there own food growing. Are the least materialistic and THEY SAY IT LIKE IT IS!!
And bless there hearts for trying not to eat animals and the like.

It's pathetic that the government fed them soy and drugs......... Pot is not bad, but it prevents one from standing up.............and already on the ground with LSD............. The government knew that they did not eat meat, so they fed them soy..........let me guess their future male children will be sterile. A good way to make them very unhealthy and stop their population.

It's been a privilege to meet a few......even though I have a different lifestyle......they are my favorite brothers and sisters..........and Andi out there, please do eat some cheese once in awhile, some probiotics and a little serotonin would help a bunch...........love ya..........

[Guest]

"The Great Gift of the Calendars
June 1998
A vision that began almost 22,000 years ago was revealed to a group of 20 spiritual adventurers in the sacred site of Tikal, Guatemala during the Spring Equinox, 1998. The group received knowledge directly from Mayan Elders regarding the Mayan Cosmovision and the gifts of the Mayan calendars.

The ancient Maya were great visionaries. They dedicated thousands of years to the observations of cycles of time. When the elders developed the calendars, they entered into the cosmic energy to discover the truth. The Maya understood everything is cyclic in nature. They studied the cycle of insects, plants, humans, the earth, the solar system, cycles of the macro and micro cosmos, Universal cycles, and even linear cycles. They created 20 calendars. Of these 20, the western world knows of 5. Today the living Maya are allowed to speak of 15 of these calendars. 5 of these Calendars they cannot speak of at this time. These are the Calendars of our cosmic ancestors.

The 20 Mayan Calendars are listed below. The bulk of the information released was about the Tzolk'in because it relates to the human being and can be used for our ascension process and to learn to live in harmony with nature and the cosmos.

CALENDAR 1. IXIM TUN - 130 days. This is the calendar of the corn and nature and was created for agriculture. Two of theses cycles are one Tzolk’in cycle. This was very important for agriculture for the Maya.

CALENDAR 2. MOM TUN - 180 days. A micro cycle of insects. This had a relationship with agriculture, as insects perform fertilization.

CALENDAR 3. TZOLK’IN - 260 days, also called Chol q’ij, a 20-week cycle of 13 days each. The energy of the day blends a little into the next day. It is a human biorhythmic cycle and relates to the birth cycle. It holds the interrelationship with all that is, and is a harmonic point with certain cycles within certain planets and with a relation to God. This cycle is the most important and is considered a sacred cycle. The ancient ones established 20 energies that give us our reality. We have 20 fingers and toes that have invisible threads. The threads in our fingers connect us to the stars. The threads in our toes connect us to the Earth. Our 20 fingers and toes are one reason why this Mayan calendar has 20 day signs and why the Tzolk'in uses 20 days per month.

There are also 13 points of power in the human body, the joints of the ankles, the knees, the hips, wrists, elbow, shoulders and neck. This is the reason why the Mayan week is 13 days long. Through these joints, energy enters our body, according to the day, hour and place we are born. The 13 X 20 = 260 sacred days for humanity and is a magical number in Mayan Cosmovision.

THE 13 NUMBERS - The 13 numbers act like a like a pyramid. From numbers 1 to 7 we are climbing up with much effort. At the number 8 we are in perfect harmony and on top the pyramid, and 9 to 13 is down hill creating ease with the energies, as they no longer force us to develop.
THE 13 POINTS OF POWER. THE NUMBERS of the Tzolk'in
1 = Great force and power. The first gear but it does not flow easily. Bottom of the pyramid.
2 = Polarized but in balance. 2 energies, positive and negative.
3 = The addition of creative right brain energy.
4 = The balance. The four energies/elements of the universe; wind, water, earth, and fire.
5 = Elevation of creation. The 5th element ether. Is a helper to #8.
6 = Imbalance - Many tests and things to learn and to evolve to.
7 = Energy to catalyze. Great power Vs great temptations. A final test.
8 = Complete energies of the material world. Top of the pyramid. Male authority.
9 = Female authority. Represents the emotional, intuitive, the artist.
10 = Creativity - flowing.
11 = Many tests and payments. Psychic/mental order. Test to transmute to knowledge.
12 = Strong energy because 12 is a spiritual catalyst.
13 = The base of the pyramid. Realization - Transmutation.
The 20 Suns of the Tzolk'in
For the Quiche of Guatemala the 20 suns begin their count with BATZ. Every day has its own guardian. Humanity needed to have a physical description or significance for each day. As the Mayan world had a deep relationship with nature and the animals, nature and the animals became a key to distinguish each energy from each other. Each day is related with a force of nature or one animal. Example - Kaan is symbolized by the serpent. If we only talked about the energy of the day, the information could not be transmitted. The human needed an image to understand the energy of Ix. We can just say Ix, but also using the jaguar gives better understanding.

BATZ = Chuen. The thread of time and destiny. Weaving of history of humanity.
EE = Eb. The path. The journey, business people.
AJ = Ben. Staff of authority. Power. Authority of Mother Earth and personal space.
IX = Ix. Jaguar. Feminine Energy. Magician.
TZ'IKIN = Men. Bird of power. Liaison between Sun and Earth.
AJMAC = Cib. The test of life. The sin. The forgiveness.
NOK = Caban. The intelligence. Knowledge, wisdom, great potential.
TIJAX = Etznab. The double-bladed knife. Drastic symbol. Noble. Yin/Yang.
KAWUQ = Cauac. Family, friends, disciples, abundance, abundance of crops.
JUNAJPU = Ahau. Grandfather SUN. Elder and child. A day doubled.
IMOX = Imix. The left hand/side. Intuition. Development of the 6,7 and 8th senses.
IQ' = Ik. Wind. Breath. Subtleness. Art. Thinkers.
AQ'AB'AL = Akbal. Birth of a new day. Awakening. Many opportunities.
CAT = Kan. - A life to fish things out that are hidden.
KAAN = Chicchan. A powerful day for cosmic energy. Eternal fire. A day to develop.
KAME = Cimi. The death/rebirth. Knowledge of the Elders. Communion with the dimensions.
KEJ = Manik. Energy of forests. Can give or receive deception.
Q'ANIL = Lamat. A seed. A plant. It grows with abundance.
TOJ = Muluc. Offer payments. Past life Karma. Fire.
TZ'I' = Oc. The law. The counselor. Fairness. Authority.

The Maya lived in a world of harmony because life was based on the sacred calendar. There were no psychological problems because no one was forced to live a life that was something other than what their destiny called for. A person born with a day of art was trained as an artist. A person with a day of authority was trained as a leader. Life was respected and lived in harmony with natural cycles.

The most mind blowing information released about the cycle of Tzolk'in was the knowledge of an ancient technology for human beings to greatly accelerate the awakening process by using sacred geography, the Tzolk'in and one's Mayan birthday. In order to use this technology, we would need to know 2 things. First we need to understand the sacred geography of sacred places around the globe and what day and hour in the Tzolk'in the site relates to. On a special day and hour based on this calendar the sacred site becomes fortified with a beam of cosmic light in which one can be exposed to accelerate awakening beyond what we have experienced to date. Secondly, we would need to know our birth Sun and know what sacred sites on the earth it relates to.

If we understood these 2 things and traveled to the place on the right day and hour the awakening and ascension process would be greatly accelerated. To be at that point is very special. The energy there would vibrate with your own vibration and you would experience power and magic. You would receive messages from the Creator at that moment. It would be the equivalent of meditating for a lifetime. If you also arrived in the right year, the Maya Elders insinuated to the fact that you could instantly awaken to your full potential! This is one of those "being in the in right place at the right time" kind of deals. Since the technology is partially hidden from most of humanity. This reminder from the Maya it is another great lesson for us to listen to spirit and traveling to where spirit calls us. Without this ancient technology we need to develop the inner technology of the spirit. Intuition! Either way, when we arrive at the right place at the right time, the results would be the awesome.

These places of power are most often rocky mountains. The peaks of these rocks have special designs. These designs, which some Mayan elders can interpret which Sun it is aligned with, are the same around the earth. The power is very concentrated is these places. They are bridges between heaven and Earth. In Guatemala there is the high concentration of volcanoes and the Maya call this place the heart of the Earth. For example, the volcano near Antigua is Volcano Agua and is for 1 Akpu (1 Ahau). Mt Shasta is also a one of these power places.

CALENDAR 4. TUN - 360 days. A cosmic Galactic cycle. Perfect harmony with the cycles of the planets, stars, and galaxies.

CALENDAR 5. TZ’OTZ TUN - 364 days. The bat cycle. 13 months of 28 days each. A calendar of Prophecy. In the Maya world there are 5 Mayan tribes who are using it in a very secret way.

CALENDAR 6. IK TUN - Moon calendar and follows the actual natural moon cycles. The tides and woman's cycles. 13 months.

CALENDAR 7. HAAB’ - 365 days. 18 Months of 20 days with a 5-day celebration cycle called Vayeb. This is the most famous Mayan calendar and the most exact Mayan calendar. According to NASA it is .00000001 accurate to the atomic clock calendar. Within an 180,000 year cycle there is only a one day adjustment needed to keep this calendar accurate. There are controversies about the beginning of the Haab calendar between Mayan tribes.

CALENDAR 8. KIEJEB - 400 days. Another prophetic calendar. 10 Mayan tribes still use this calendar today.

CALENDAR 9. MUCHUCHU MIL - the 52-year calendar, a Mayan century. A very important calendar that maps the zenith passage of the Pleiades over Meso America. This calendar synchs the Haab and the Tzolk’in. When this calendar ends, all the fires are put out and for 5 days there are no fires and all will fast. Then on 0 Pop, the Haab the fires are re-lit by Priests and Priestesses. This tradition still happens.

CALENDAR 10. CHOL TUN - 260 years. Work just like the Tzolk’in, but with years. A macrocosmic calendar.

CALENDAR 11. KU TUN - 520-year calendar, but this calendar cycle varies every 4 years. The 4 pillar calendar. This is a large cycle in which the energy flows for all humanity. It has special qualities and is a helper for certain situations and is very important when someone is having a chart read. It acts as an added ingredient to the Prophetic calendar.

CALENDAR 12. TIKU TUN - Is divided into 2 well-known cycles. The first is Belejeb Bolon Tiku which is 9 x 52 cycles of darkness equaling 468 years. The second is OXALAJUJ TIKU - 13 of 52 cycles of the 13 heavens or 13 lights that equal 676 years. This is also a prophetic calendar.

CALENDAR 13. AJAU TUN - Cycles of 20 years that mark the prophecies for 20 years. Archaeologists know of this one.

CALENDAR 14. EKOMAL TUN - 520 years - Marks the feminine/masculine radiation from the Sun. It is a prophetic calendar and gives clues about humanity to this point and in the future.

CALENDAR 15. OX LAJUJ BAKTUN- 5200 years. This is the long count calendar the archeologists know something about. It is a prophetic calendar and marks the Suns/Worlds. In the Gregorian year of 1998 we are in the year 5186 of the 4th Sun in this 5200-year calendar. There are only 14 years left to experience the change to the 5th Sun.

These are the names for the 5 calendars the Maya are not ready to speak of at this time: CALENDAR 16. WACH WOU
CALENDAR 17. OX WOU
CALENDAR 18. WIN WOU
CALENDAR 19. NAWUAL WOU
CALENDAR 20. NIMK’ KU

And about 20 calendars that exist and are still used by the traditional Mayan people and Alj'ij (Priests), and I have this article obtained from http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/calendars.html

[Guest]

I thought this was profound and quite true information above about the calendars..............so it must be repeated........and Kris the Natives are not speaking and most likely won't ever............for the same reasons as your brother's upper echelon, except they don't use their knowledge for greed, power and evil.
The most mind blowing information released about the cycle of Tzolk'in was the knowledge of an ancient technology for human beings to greatly accelerate the awakening process by using sacred geography, the Tzolk'in and one's Mayan birthday. In order to use this technology, we would need to know 2 things. First we need to understand the sacred geography of sacred places around the globe and what day and hour in the Tzolk'in the site relates to. On a special day and hour based on this calendar the sacred site becomes fortified with a beam of cosmic light in which one can be exposed to accelerate awakening beyond what we have experienced to date. Secondly, we would need to know our birth Sun and know what sacred sites on the earth it relates to.

If we understood these 2 things and traveled to the place on the right day and hour the awakening and ascension process would be greatly accelerated. To be at that point is very special. The energy there would vibrate with your own vibration and you would experience power and magic. You would receive messages from the Creator at that moment. It would be the equivalent of meditating for a lifetime. If you also arrived in the right year, the Maya Elders insinuated to the fact that you could instantly awaken to your full potential! This is one of those "being in the in right place at the right time" kind of deals. Since the technology is partially hidden from most of humanity. This reminder from the Maya it is another great lesson for us to listen to spirit and traveling to where spirit calls us. Without this ancient technology we need to develop the inner technology of the spirit. Intuition! Either way, when we arrive at the right place at the right time, the results would be the awesome.

These places of power are most often rocky mountains. The peaks of these rocks have special designs. These designs, which some Mayan elders can interpret which Sun it is aligned with, are the same around the earth. The power is very concentrated is these places. They are bridges between heaven and Earth. In Guatemala there is the high concentration of volcanoes and the Maya call this place the heart of the Earth. For example, the volcano near Antigua is Volcano Agua and is for 1 Akpu (1 Ahau). Mt Shasta is also a one of these power places.

[Guest]

CALENDAR 15. OX LAJUJ BAKTUN- 5200 years. This is the long count calendar the archeologists know something about. It is a prophetic calendar and marks the Suns/Worlds. In the Gregorian year of 1998(2008) we are in the year 5186 (5196)of the 4th Sun in this 5200-year calendar. There are only 14 years left to experience the change to the 5th Sun.

EDIT: 4 YEARS LEFT TO EXPERIENCE THE CHANGE TO THE 5TH SUN.

[Guest]

As for the brothers.......I mean no disrespect at all. I understand that we need some kind of order and structure and that's what groups are all about. And that we need to help each other.
It's just that they all become corrupt, all due to the PTB, and the inner ego in ourselves doesn't escape the blame either one either. Hell this ego was implanted in us, it's not natural at all, so we are not to be blamed after all.

[Guest]

WHAT DO YA KNOW.......This is what those secret societies have been hellbent on...........the alchemical change, the trinity, androgeny........bet they can't wait for the 5th Sun.........
2012
All this information has wakened the interest of millions of people, but it has also created a lot of confusion and fear, since the date of December 21 of 2012 has been used as the date of the end of the World.
However, this date points out the beginning of a new cycle, which is marked in the tradition of the Mayan Elders as a time of harmony and spiritual growing, this cycle is called the FIFTH SUN and each of the previous ones lasted 5,200 years.

The first cycle was of a feminine energy and fire was the element that ruled it.
The second cycle was of a masculine energy and earth was the element that ruled it.

The third cycle was of a feminine energy and air was the element that ruled it.

The fourth cycle was of a masculine energy and water was the element that ruled it.

The fifth cycle is of harmony between the masculine and feminine energy and the element that will rule it will be ether.

Each of these cycles last 5,200 years and they have been affected by the polarity of the masculine or feminine energy and of course they have also been affected by the elements. Today we are at the door of the end of the fourth cycle, which ends on December 20th of 2012, [edit in 4 years from now]. During these six years we will be witnesses to the confrontation of the Negative and Positive forces, the eternal fight amongst polarity, the fight between the Eternal Fire and the Eternal Ice, as the Great Masters have named it, rough and magical times, prophetic times, as the Master, Don Pascual, would have said.

Theses cycles have occurred in the past with other humans (civilizations) and also at the end of cycles of the Ajaw, cycles of 5,200 years. We are now at the end of the fourth cycle Ajaw that will end Dec 20, 2012, and the fifth Ajaw enters Dec 21, 2012, a date that is known to be catastrophic by people outside of the Mayan tradition- which in reality marks the beginning of changes in the way we see and live life, focusing more on harmony, the key word for existence in this reality

http://mytwobeadsworth.com/MayanEldersMessage.html
The transcendence of the ending of this fourth cycle lies in the fact that we are once again in the doors of building up our destiny, the history of the actual humanity (the fourth).

The other humanities did not succeed with the purpose of taking our Mother Earth to the age of gold, the age of nobility, love, equality, peace, conscience, the Kingdom of Great Spirituality, in which every being has its space and value and where we can all grow in a simple word HARMONY, which is the premise of the Mayan World.

This marvelous opportunity is linked to Mother Earth, who as a living entity, has
once again the chance of acceding to the Fifth Sky, this means to vibrate on a more subtle energy ruled by the element ETHER. This opportunity was wasted by the three previous humanities and it took Mother Earth millions of years to redo the proper conditions again.

[Guest]

More on the Earth's chakra and ley lines.............

The period of now (2006) to the end of 2007 is of much importance to maintain the balance. We will be living in a very dangerous time that this humanity has not lived before. It is within each and every one of us to reach balance and change. The focus must be on the energy that got stuck in Panama, which, because of the canal, didn't allow the energy to reach south. This is where the work will be the most revealing, which doesn't consist only of these four days. It is urgent to activate the base of the spinal cord of the continent of the mountain range of the Andes and the ancient mountains of Cordova. To bring on the change and as the wise Mam elder said: "PLEASE LET'S RETURN TO BEING HUMANS!"'

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http://mytwobeadsworth.com/MayanEldersMessage.html

[Spock]

"The fifth cycle is of harmony between the masculine and feminine energy and the element that will rule it will be ether. "

I am looking for a new beginning starting 2013.

IMO, the globalist elites are running out of time, as we near the end of the 4th cycle.
It will be a new era of enlightenment, and we are here to witness it.
You can not fight against the nature.

[Dice]

the problem is that many are not part of nature, but live in the artificial world of one comodity piling on the next, a copy of a copy of a copy. There will be no enlightening for those, only a harsh awakening and a terrible future full of suffering, no matter if rich or poor. Sorry for being so honest, but that's about it.
We have overspun the arch. We will witness the downfall of Babylon once more. If one does not learn from the past, one is doomed to repeat ones mistakes until the lesson is learned.

There is no use in waiting (for the better) either, either you are the better (original, natural) or you are trying to
escape your duty.

[Spock]

We will witness the downfall of Babylon once more.

Which one?

i'd say USA will break up, and become parts of UNA (Union of North America).
This may end up being a good thing, as a Babylon would have fallen.

i think EU will be fine at the end.
Brussels is another Babylon and it will fall also.

[Guest]

HI THERE!
I agree it is only going to get ALOT worse, and that the apex will be during the alignment in 2012. And then after all that, just maybe we will be able to transmutate, if we survive and are ready. We have become unprepared and unnatural so their won't be much of a chance for most of us. It's so difficult to believe how this happened.
As for those never ending cycles, you see it everywhere.
Interesting, my symbol(not literally mine), the galactic butterfly, was just posted on the mtsar forum.

Sweet transmutation and........the Two Suns Theory(I haven't posted the Mayans work on this yet, not enough info)
When you make the two one,
and when you make the outside like the inside,
and the above like the below;
when you make the male and female as one,
then you will enter the kingdom of God - Gospel of Thomas

http://cosmiccipher.blogspot.com/2007/02/two-suns-theory.html

[Dice]

When you make the two one,
and when you make the outside like the inside,
and the above like the below;
when you make the male and female as one,
then you will enter the kingdom of God - Gospel of Thomas


Pretty neat!



Ahh...BABYLON....so you don't know what BABYLON is. She is the "substitute artificial copy of nature" whore, the artificial nature, the vampyr that exploits the true mother, the true life, the real nature. Babylon is the "artificial life" men
have created in order to DOMINATE "nature", to molest her, to rape her, to exploit her. They dream to
become immortals, they wish to not be born by HEAVEN AND EARTH, by GOD who gives birth to all things real,
who is non-dual, who is feminine and masculine.


They want to be Gods themselfs, doomed they will be, nothing more...

This movie can explain to you what Babylon is:

Koyaanisqatsi: Life out of Balance

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=5539613947839465921&q=KOYAANISQATSI&ei=Pn2DSJeBK5vk2gKOr9ifAw


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain
inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit
of happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among men, deriving their powers from the consent of the governed. That
whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of those ends, it
is the right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new
Government or realize that Government has been the enslaver of man
since the beginning of civilization and abolish it once and for all and
return to a communal way of life. Where all men and women are truly
equal and represent each other and each others survival and well-being.
Where the laws of nature govern. Where we put life above material. Free
individuals in free communities in harmony with one another and with
the biosphere. Where our lives are not in the hands of a few powerful
men, but rather in the hands of the gods... Anarchy is not chaos, but
order through cooperation not control. We are all bound to the laws of
nature, no matter how far we try to separate ourselves from it, no
matter how deep within the city you live, your life is still governed
by natural laws. Civilization makes you believe you are separate from
those laws, makes you believe that through cleanliness, control, and
technology that you are somehow better than and not subject to the
forces and laws of nature..... As long as you live on earth, you live
by the rules of the earth, not the rules of civilization or government,
or the economy, or any unearthly forms of control. Those are illusions
that obscure your reality and bring you this sense of ego that you feel
when you deny the earth, when you wish to further this industrial
machine that devours the planet every day. It is you that makes its
veins pump and hunger greater each day as you contribute to that status
quo. Cogs in a killing machine.... killing the planet and everything on
it. Technology will not save you, but in fact is the murder weapon
itself..... This can change, we are not fundamentally flawed creatures,
but we must accept that that is what we are, creatures. Animals. As
long as we hold on to this megalomania, this belief we are greater then
other animals, and the earth, then we will continue to live against
life itself.... but if we loose the ego before it's too late, if we
regain that relationship with all of life... then a sustainable world
is possible.

[Guest]

Yeah, sweet transmutation!
If they can do it, we can too, hopefully pretty soon! And if it does, it would be devastating with people of good hearts to see them turn despotic, once they reach a higher level. (Meaning I hope I don't turn on my own heart if I reach that level and become just like.......)I hope that doesn't happen. I'm tired of this evil cycle and of being a slave.
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Their is a possiblilty that an energetic change will take place. But being the complacent, easily manipulated slave like beings we won't know that a gateway has even opened. This can be a time to take back everything they took, but never forget that you could become corrupted just as easily as they are. WE HAVE BEEN LIED to enough, so much that we are almost completely blind. They promise us riches/material/money, power.........just what WE DON'T NEED!

So how to stop their influences on us?
By using our forgotten/stolen inherit powers to blast these evil people out of existence, when the time comes and the vortex is able to blast open. We canse all of our mind/body and soul power at this time, with laser like intention. A huge purging, it will be their time to be barfed on.

And I send you some heart energy Jaguar..........
It seems that when you talk about them they get on your case, so I guess it is easy to spot them out, and I hope others who are trying to awaken see that. As they are becoming more and more transparent, literally giving themselves away! It seems as if something is making them give their own selves away? I hope it is an energetic opening that will help us.

[Dice]

Thanks Ocelotl,

yeah, it is actually amazing how easy it has become to make them visible.
It's like throwing a bone...and before you blink they catch it from you in
mid-air, and they won't stop chewing on that bone ever... Looks like loss
of skill? However, I overheard a conversation were somebody said we've
reached Generation Stupid. True a bit, yet I meet extremely vivid and clear
youngsters. They really flow on the new energetic vibrations and
don't let themselfs be spotted. Was it mentioned there is a shift
going on.

Peace and all the best to you,

Uri

[Guest]

Dice, I'm excited to find a book by Lyall Watson called Gifts of Unknown Things: A True Story of Nature, Healing, and Initiation from Indonesia's Dancing Island.

What a blessing to live on the Islands! In a small volcanic island in Indonesia, where he shares the hardships, the joys and the extraordinary daily life of the islanders. That life is a source of wonder and mystery, for the inhabitants of Nus Tarian accept as everyday realities phenomena that are terrifying, miraculous and inexplicable to the average WEsterner. Theirs is a world in which magical feats ae regularly experienced as normal occurences and skills; in which extrasensory perception, psychic healing, precognition and even the survival of death are possible.

The great thing about this book is he tells of a moving story of Tia, a young girl with startling gifts and powers who is gradually drawn into an awesome psychic struggle for control of the island and its people. And she is a magical dancer, something that I can very much relate to! It's amazing how he relates to children. He said that every child of five knows everything there is to know, but when they turn six they are sent to school and the rot sets in! He is able to coherently talk about science and the mysterious universe.

He talks of the hologram, which I may type out later and the squids with their amazing eyes. I am suprised this amazing laser lights are not in use right now, where all of us have access to holograms. He gets into the ones and continuity and flow of things and how the indigenous think o these terms, yet he can connect it in a scientific explanation! Yeah and it looks like the Muslims infiltrated just as the Christians. He said that the Javanese are Muslim, except the Easter Islands are Christian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall_Watson
All the best to you!!

[Guest]

No we are not a lost cause. I was thinking about all the coverups lately.

I was thinking of Andrijah Puharich's research about the Platinum children. And it seems you won't find any information or resources on them, but the usual saying that they are in China or Mexico, they have these amazing abilities and so forth.
and then..............you have the coverups saying.........
Look at all the indigo and crystal children being born, they all have the same amazing eyes are are very talented, blah blah in all these new age books. But this is a deceitful way of leading us away from these other mysterious children, who have exceptional powers. And where you will find NO info at all about.
I don't want this talk on some autistic, rebellious indigo child and how creative they are and being born all over the place. I want the TRUTH and the real thing!
ENd of speech, peace............
EDITAnd may all Croatians one day live in peace

[Guest]

The Flux of the Matter and 2012

The pulse of our planet is fast. Earth's magnetic field fluctuates between eight and sixteen times each second. The predominant rhythm of our brain lies in the same area. It is unlikely that htis is purely coincidental.

A baby spends the first nine months of its life surrounded by the steady drumming of its mother's heart. It becomes entrained to this all pervading rhythm. If at any time in the first year after birth it is exposed to an identical patern, it responds to it by xcrying less and gaining more wight than other babies deprived of this contact with their roots. But it seems that nobody is totally abandoned. We ar all biologicaly entrained in the same way to the basic rhythms of Mother Earth-and these are always with us.

And we are all in the same boat. If the natural rhythm of any biological system is disturbed, it can be reset in the same simple way. The rate of oxygen consumption by germinating potatoes, the pattern of emergence of fruit fly larvae, the tidal opening and closing of oysters, or the body temperature cycle in man can all be synchronized once again with the biological timekeeper by means of a short, gut wrenching burst of radiation at ten cycles per second.
Lyall Watson

So we know the EMF's or radiation is needed to change our DNA. As for our consciousness, these waves may start changing soon and then we will think differently. I have experienced change in wavelength or heard the hum in a certain part of the world and it made me ill.
I can see why HAARP may be counteracting what will be the big inevitable Earth Wave change.

[Guest]

Back to Lyall Watson's book..........
The language of these islanders sound alot like African or Egyption. I wondered what the precious girl's name, Tiamat is from and why he chose that name, if it is her real name.
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Tiamat may have begun as part of the cult of Nammu, a female principle of a watery creative force, with equally strong connections to the underworld, predating the appearance of Ea-Enki.[8]
Though Tiamat is often described by modern authors as a sea serpent or dragon, no ancient texts exist in which there is a clear association with those kinds of creatures. This is from wikip. and it is wrong there are quite a few stories from Natives in North America where they talk about the springs that are sacred, because of a special vortex energy in them. And guess what lives in them. Serpents. And most of the time these serpents mate with the female humans.

The Deep" (Hebrew tehom) at the beginning of Genesis derives from Tiamat.
From the Hebrew bible:
The mother and father gods of Babylonian religion, Tiamat and Apsu, gave birth to other gods:
When, on high, the heaven had not been named,
firm ground below had not been called by name,
naught but primordial Apsu, their begetter,
and Mummu-Tiamat, she who bore them all,
their waters commingling as a single body;
No reed hut had been matted, no marshland had appeared,
when no gods whatever had been brought into being, uncalled by name,
their destinies undetermined
Then it was that the gods were formed within them.
Tiamat and Apsu gave birth to gods who challenge them and provoke them into jealous fits of rage. From these heavenly battles the world was formed, a place of chaos, suffering, and disaster.

[Dice]

Honestly....

I am getting bored with the Babylonian and Egyptian "Mysteries". They are rather "recent" annoyances
anyways, portraying themselfs as the source of humanity.

Guess what retardedness I have read today at the "Tsarionite Coven".

White Buffalo Woman "predicted" that when a white buffalo calf will be born, we will enter into the "New Age", i.e. the Golden Age, blah blah blah...

Of course, the HOPI don't know anything about that.

Unfortunately too many people have become sensationalistic and greedy.

A indiginous Shaman from Central America would properbly tell you to stay away from all those pyramidical structures one can find there.

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Yeah and I'm tired of what they throw at us, which is very little and we never get to know their knowledge.

These people need serious help, these kind of people above want to hate, fight with and kill the other(which is just an innocent person) just because they think the other is stupid, or an ass or inferior.
Now that is very messed up.

Or do they think they are better than everyone else and so they give that exuse above for wanting to get rid of the other. Well they created us slaves, now they want to get rid of us.

Maybe these groups are just tangled in their own baggage.

To heck with it all and to heck with them, the truth is known instantly with Spirit.

[Dice]

There is a smart guy at the Red Ice Forum, but I wonder if he himself is aware of being "close". He is kinda lucid.

He wrote that he wants to make a pilgrimage to the Chichen Itza. On his way across America he wants to symbolically destroy as many watches as possible, then climb on top of the pyramid to symbolically stop all
artificial time records by yet smashing another watch.

he calls his idea "Nowarchy". Now is the true moment of power sort of realisation...

I thought this to be such a smart joke, if his tone wouldn't have been so serious...

As you know - resistence produces continuity of the thing resisted.

Let's take Carlos Castaneda for example. Maybe he did once meet a real Shaman. I would doubt that the conversations lasted many years. Rather that Castaneda ended his mission miserable, because he couldn't really
grasp the "teaching" as he sold them to the masses.

There is this one phrase he keeps mentioning, that the shaman said he should use his fingertips to make his notes instead of writing it down the way he did.

Do you think the shaman didn't know that he would fail to adhere the good advice?

This is what happens when you try to instrumentalize something: you become an instrument yourself.

Maybe that is the sole reason why all the really ancient people never bothered to write the unwritable down.

I have the feeling that Castaneda completely misinterpreted the whole "death issue". He founded a cult around himself and ended it by having his "deciples" comit suicide.

The lust for power and greed in general are the most terrible things one can experience in their quest of magic.

Of course, there is a war between the sorcerers. Magic is all about manipulation.

99% of them want to dominate each other or the weaker people.

There is only one kind that is truly powerful, and they are those who have reached the highest level of self-knowledge, self-command and self-posession. It has nothing to do with force, but with skill.

The unskilled are happy with creating slaves to reflect their need for greatness and self-importance.

Love and Wisdom shatteres all that in an instance.

Notize! You can't have both. Self-glorification and Wisdom. It is all right to like yourself, but vanity is a stumbling block most sorcerers fall for.

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The lust for power and greed in general are the most terrible things one can experience in their quest of magic.

Wow, were the masters working through you! They have just given me an answer through what you just said above!

I was just going to write about the struggle for power, but between male and female. I understand that God or the Universe is ruthless, but it does not hate us or want to get rid of us because we are useless. Everything out there is about LIFE.

But I will never understand why a female is only thought of as a thing to reproduce and that is all, otherwise she is useless. I would think the male hated females, but it is deeper than that, I think the male fears death and needs the feminine to get to Spirit and is scared to let go of whatever, ego, maleness etc.............

In order to get to their desired trinity, they need the female. Once they think they attain that then the female can be thrown away.

Mother Earth or a female would never think like that. Females don't need males, especially to attain this and would never discard males, but embraces the male and everything. I think that is another reason why the male is afraid of a female, they think they will gain power and get rid of the males. This is where that sick power mentality you were talking about comes in. This is the reason why the most oppressed people have been females, not a race of color.
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CC's soul is lost, but DJ's is alive and kicking!!

[Dice]

Let me say this; the world is in it's "shape" today because females have been gradually put down and disrespected for at least the last 6000 years.

You want change? You want balance? Well, if you are a woman, no matter of your heritage, deep down you know that I tell it like it is. If you are a man, work on yourself and your perspective on woman. Engage them in the decisionmaking beyond the homes, and most important, please don't expect them to become masculine in order to be admitted to participate in leadership.

The day woman will be granted their rightous part back, balance will reign once more, benefitting us humans and the entire planet.

So why did this happen? There are many reasons. We can't go back to the past to correct the errors, but we can reset ourselfs and provide for the future by simply using one of the strongest feminine assets: the great REMEMBERING.

Right now we are stuck in the great forgetting of who we truly are.

It's within our possiblities to start today. And don't forget, it is all about learning, moving from one process to the next for gain of the greater cause...a cause so big that we sometimes loose track of it.

Aloha, Uri Manahuna

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